观看过程既有趣又令人恼火。以下是几点观察： 1）正如 Amanda Fischer 在推文中所说，一个越来越清晰的事实是：监管方根本没有真正尝试理解这项技术。 他们主要依靠“感觉”，凭表面相似就草率下判断—— 完全没有考虑到自我托管（self-custody）、不可变代码（immutable code）、以及运行在服务器上的东西与运行在区块链上的协议之间的根本差异。 2）他们完全不愿意区分：软件开发者、前端、协议本体、DAO 等不同角色与实体。 3）他对“真正的 DeFi”的定义狭隘到必须用“无瑕受孕（immaculate conception）”这种词来形容。除了比特币以外的其他东西，他基本都视为中心化的。 4）他完全不了解 Uniswap 升级的方式，似乎以为我们会在部署后修改协议代码。事实并非如此。每次部署都是一套全新的代码，旧版本将永远存在，用户必须自行选择是否迁移资金。这已经是最大程度的去中心化，比区块链的硬分叉还要“不可控”。 5）当被问到为何不直接雇佣几个智能合约开发者来理解 Uniswap 如何运作、以及我们是否拥有控制权时，他基本上承认：他们就是不了解，也没有任何尝试去了解的意愿。 他说这会让预算增加三倍。但他们雇了成千上万的律师去起诉别人，而理解我们只需要一个开发者而已，笑话。 6）他说“来登记注册（come in and register）”是真诚的，不是陷阱。那么请指出一个真的这么做了、成功了、并且现在仍然运营良好的加密项目？你举不出来。 7）很高兴他承认：从外界看，Gensler 所有短信“神秘消失”确实非常难看——尽管他试图把这说成是意外。但如果在有保全通知（preservation notice）的情况下，我的两年短信全部消失，他们大概率会建议对我提出刑事指控。 Fascinating if a bit infurating to watch. Some takeaways: 1) Just like Amanda Fischer tweets, an increasingly clear picture is coming forward - they didn't make a real attempt to understand the technology, mostly operated off vibes and things seemingly looking similar to other things on first glance - no consideration at all about self-custody, immutable code, the difference between something running on a server vs a blockchain 2) Zero willingness to disambiguate between the software developers, frontend, protocols, DAOs, etc 3) His definition of what "real" DeFi would be is so narrow he had to use the phrase "immaculate conception" to describe it. Basically dismisses everything other than bitcoin as centralized 4) He doesn't not understand how Uniswap upgrades work and seems to assume we make changes to the protocol codebase after deployment. This is not true. Each deployment is an entirely new codebase, old one continues to exist forever, and users have to choose to migrate funds to it. This is maximum decentralization, probably beyond hardforks. 5) When asked why they don't just hire some smart contract devs to understand how Uniswap works and if we have control he basically just acknowledged they dont understand how it works or make any attempt to. Says it would require trippling their budget. They employ literally thousands of lawyers to sue people, and only needed one dev lol 6) He says "come in and register" was in good faith and not a trap. So point to one crypto project that did this, was successful at it, and built a real business that is currently operational (you can't) 7) Glad he acknowledged it LOOKS really bad that all of Genslers texts magically disappeared even if he tried to play it off as an accident. If 2 years of my texts disappeared when they had a preservation notice against me they probably would have recommended criminal charges
Hayden AdamsFounder of Uniswap Protocol & Uniswap Labs CEO
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观看过程既有趣又令人恼火。以下是几点观察：
1）正如 Amanda Fischer 在推文中所说，一个越来越清晰的事实是：监管方根本没有真正尝试理解这项技术。
他们主要依靠“感觉”，凭表面相似就草率下判断——
完全没有考虑到自我托管（self-custody）、不可变代码（immutable code）、以及运行在服务器上的东西与运行在区块链上的协议之间的根本差异。
2）他们完全不愿意区分：软件开发者、前端、协议本体、DAO 等不同角色与实体。
3）他对“真正的 DeFi”的定义狭隘到必须用“无瑕受孕（immaculate conception）”这种词来形容。除了比特币以外的其他东西，他基本都视为中心化的。
4）他完全不了解 Uniswap 升级的方式，似乎以为我们会在部署后修改协议代码。事实并非如此。每次部署都是一套全新的代码，旧版本将永远存在，用户必须自行选择是否迁移资金。这已经是最大程度的去中心化，比区块链的硬分叉还要“不可控”。
5）当被问到为何不直接雇佣几个智能合约开发者来理解 Uniswap 如何运作、以及我们是否拥有控制权时，他基本上承认：他们就是不了解，也没有任何尝试去了解的意愿。
他说这会让预算增加三倍。但他们雇了成千上万的律师去起诉别人，而理解我们只需要一个开发者而已，笑话。
6）他说“来登记注册（come in and register）”是真诚的，不是陷阱。那么请指出一个真的这么做了、成功了、并且现在仍然运营良好的加密项目？你举不出来。
7）很高兴他承认：从外界看，Gensler 所有短信“神秘消失”确实非常难看——尽管他试图把这说成是意外。但如果在有保全通知（preservation notice）的情况下，我的两年短信全部消失，他们大概率会建议对我提出刑事指控。
Fascinating if a bit infurating to watch. Some takeaways:
- Just like Amanda Fischer tweets, an increasingly clear picture is coming forward - they didn't make a real attempt to understand the technology, mostly operated off vibes and things seemingly looking similar to other things on first glance - no consideration at all about self-custody, immutable code, the difference between something running on a server vs a blockchain
- Zero willingness to disambiguate between the software developers, frontend, protocols, DAOs, etc
- His definition of what "real" DeFi would be is so narrow he had to use the phrase "immaculate conception" to describe it. Basically dismisses everything other than bitcoin as centralized
- He doesn't not understand how Uniswap upgrades work and seems to assume we make changes to the protocol codebase after deployment. This is not true. Each deployment is an entirely new codebase, old one continues to exist forever, and users have to choose to migrate funds to it. This is maximum decentralization, probably beyond hardforks.
- When asked why they don't just hire some smart contract devs to understand how Uniswap works and if we have control he basically just acknowledged they dont understand how it works or make any attempt to. Says it would require trippling their budget. They employ literally thousands of lawyers to sue people, and only needed one dev lol
- He says "come in and register" was in good faith and not a trap. So point to one crypto project that did this, was successful at it, and built a real business that is currently operational (you can't)
- Glad he acknowledged it LOOKS really bad that all of Genslers texts magically disappeared even if he tried to play it off as an accident. If 2 years of my texts disappeared when they had a preservation notice against me they probably would have recommended criminal charges
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